iNaturalist

(inaturalist.org)

298 points | by bookofjoe 5 hours ago

26 comments

  • simonw 5 hours ago
    The iNaturalist API is an absolute gem. It doesn't require authentication for read-only operations and it has open CORS headers which means it's amazing for demos and tutorials.

    My partner and I built this website with it a few years ago: https://www.owlsnearme.com/

    (I realize this is a bit on-brand for me but I also use it to track pelicans https://tools.simonwillison.net/species-observation-map#%7B%... )

    • Litost 1 hour ago
      I use iNaturalist semi-regularly and was about to start using it for a rewilding project I'm involved in, so looked into that and some of the alternatives.

      I really like how easy it is to use, the various views on the data (incl. geofenced projects and places), the fact you can export it all back out again, the volunteer and "AI" assist on IDing stuff etc.

      But I guess the main other pro for me was that, in the UK at least, most of the data I've put into iNaturalist that's made Research Grade has also been imported into iRecord and NBNAtlas which wouldn't happen the other way round, so 3 for the price of 1. See https://nbn.org.uk/inaturalistuk/inaturalistuk-and-its-place...

      I know there's various grumblings about observation quality from iRecord users relating to iNaturalist records, but I'm assuming this is people just not following the published guidance???

    • andrewpedelty 5 hours ago
      I also love the Seek app that they provide (maybe this overlaps with the linked app in functionality?). As someone who's grown fonder of Nature in general over the last decade but who has little actual knowledge of the regional flora and fauna, it's a great way to engage with the plants and little bugs in my garden (or others' while on walks and such).

      Fun to travel and "pokemon" some new local stuff too.

      • Tomte 5 hours ago
        Seek throws up a „please don‘t disturb nature“ modal at every single start that you need to click away. Usually at that point the bird has gone away, too.

        The iNaturalist app doesn‘t. It has more features, but Seek‘s former advantage „let me just the a photo and auto-identify“ is now in the iNaturalist main app, as well, so it is my default now.

        • bluebarbet 5 hours ago
          >Seek throws up a „please don‘t disturb nature“ modal at every single start that you need to click away.

          Frustration shared.

          • throwanem 4 hours ago
            So the modal is doing its job.
            • bluebarbet 4 hours ago
              Sure, it's "doing its job" much in the way a podcast advert you've already heard 1000 times is "doing its job".
              • throwanem 33 minutes ago
                I keep hearing people speak so positively of "friction," lately, and yet. Some more nuance required in that discussion, I think.
            • virgil_disgr4ce 42 minutes ago
              Making the user completely inured to its message is not doing its job
        • andrewpedelty 4 hours ago
          That's great to know, I'll give it a shot for sure.
        • zem 3 hours ago
          wow, that would be my cue to uninstall the app and write zeros repeatedly over the place it used to be!
      • GorbachevyChase 5 hours ago
        I’ve been pretty disappointed in the seeks applications ability to identify vegetation or insects. It seemed like it was really good a year or two ago and now I just seem to get so many bad predictions.
        • chhxdjsj 4 hours ago
          I stopped using seek and just started using gemini…
    • jw_cook 4 hours ago
      It is a gem. There are all kinds of fun location/organism-specific tools you can put together with the public read-only data, and owlsnearme is a good example of that. I just used it to check my area and learned there are snowy owls nearby, which is new to me!

      The iNat API certainly has some quirks and shortcomings, but in terms of usability it's uncommonly good compared to most biodiversity platforms. I maintain the python API client[1], which is used for data visualizations, doing useful things with your own observation data (which is how I got into it), Jupyter notebooks, Discord bots, and some research/education workflows.

      [1] https://github.com/pyinat/pyinaturalist

    • moritzwarhier 2 hours ago
      I know this app!

      I once used it to check whether it would identify some birds that are prevalent in my area.

      Not related to the app's fubctionality, but it was pretty funny when I replayed my recording of parrot noises to crop it and the next moment, a walnut shell dropped from the tree above.

      Animals apparently don't like being recorded!

    • martior 4 hours ago
      And I made this silly game. Name the beast, where you get a picture and try to guess (or know) the scientific name. https://name-the-beast.skabb.com
      • simonw 2 hours ago
        OK I absolutely love that!

        I got 0/4 though on the easiest difficulty level. Feature request: a version where you have to guess the common name instead, I think that would still be fun.

    • 9dev 3 hours ago
      Incredible. 7 owls near me! Thank you both for this, love it very much.
    • Galanwe 5 hours ago
      My son is now a fan of your site, thanks for sharing !
    • alejandrorivas 2 hours ago
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  • ray__ 4 hours ago
    I love this app, but it's also a significant doxxing risk especially for the large number of non-technical users that it has. A quick look at the map reveals the home addresses and names of many iNaturalist users in my neighborhood, lots of them older folks that probably don't realize that adding all of the neat wildlife that they see in their backyard (or uploading things they see on remote hikes without any 3G coverage once their phone connects to their home wifi network) is also putting their home address on display by adding a cluster of photos right next to their house that are all attached to their account.
    • getpost 3 hours ago
      I can hide my home-based observation locations, but others usually do not. People who post observations in my front yard cause other iNat users to visit. This hasn't been a problem in that there have been only a few additional visitors, and they are friendly. Still, I don't like my yard being publicized.

      People who walk by the yard might tell their friends, but ordinary word-of-mouth can't be queried online. Not yet.

      EDIT: We did have what turned out to be a significant invasive species observation. It was published in my SO's account with the location obscured. I looked up the species online and realized it might be a concern, so I killed it and put it in the freezer. In the meantime, the California Agricultural Inspectors got wind of it and contacted iNat to obtain the email address associated with the account. After making contact, they sent someone to pick up my specimen, and the later, 4 inspectors (yes, really, 3 inspectors and a supervisor) were sent to look for additional specimens. None were found.

      Unrelated to this incident, I posted endangered species (not on our property) in my account, and iNat automatically obscures the location. Later on, I got an ~~email~~ message via iNat from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife asking for access to the precise locations, which I gladly provided.

      • ray__ 2 hours ago
        Wow, I didn’t know that iNaturalist was so proactive about that sort of thing. It also sounds like you have a really cool yard! :)
        • getpost 1 hour ago
          I didn't mean to suggest that iNat is proactive, they may well be.

          IIRC, the exact chain of events was: Invasive Species Observation posted -> a curator at the LA Natural History saw the post and notified the CDFA (Agriculture Inspectors) -> CDFA contacts iNat to get email address -> CDFA contacts my SO. I don't recall whether iNat had a built-in messaging service at the time (they do now).

          Regarding endangered species, the California Department of Fish and Wildlife evidently joined iNaturalist, in part to enhance their data collection. They seem to be monitoring iNaturalist and contacting users who have relevant observations. They seem very sensitive to privacy concerns, and cooperation is voluntary. I'm thrilled a state agency is engaging the public in protecting our natural resources.

          These state employees have indeed been proactive.

      • jakeydus 2 hours ago
        What was the invasive species??
        • getpost 2 hours ago
          That would be doxxing, not that it matters here.
    • kiddico 2 hours ago
      I have my house covered in observations and it would not take a rocket scientist to figure out where I live. I'm also a big believer in accurately tagging observations with locations of things in case someone else wants to try to find it. If someone wants to come to my house and take pictures of spring tails they're welcome to lol
    • wglass 49 minutes ago
      Hah. I grew up when everyone had their names in the phone book with phone number and home address. It matters more to some people than others.
      • jpmattia 46 minutes ago
        In fact, you had to pay extra to have your number/address omitted from the phone book.
    • whateveracct 4 hours ago
      Does this matter if my account is some random username about birds?

      Like all people learn is "someone does in fact live at that address and they use this app"

      • ray__ 4 hours ago
        Maybe not, but I'd want to know beforehand either way. And looking through accounts near me suggests that a fair number of users add enough detail to make me think that they don't realize that their info is so public (selfies/profile pictures being the most problematic example imo).
      • jszymborski 3 hours ago
        Yah, this is what I do, however I think this is what GP is talking about when they say savvy (or maybe I'm flattering myself). Plenty of folks with their full details on their profile.
        • whateveracct 2 hours ago
          Home ownership is in the public record tho, right?
    • whyenot 2 hours ago
      I feel like this ship has already sailed. The home addresses of most people, especially if they have lived in the same place for awhile, is already online. In my case, even my salary info is online because I am a public employee.
      • nunez 17 minutes ago
        100%; absolutely. Search your name and an old (or current) email address on any search engine. Prepare to be horrified when you see address, DOB, social media presence, etc. for you AND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY neatly linked together.

        One people search engine had ALL of my emails and screen-names, even the ones I created with my first Internet account as a kid in 1996. Wild stuff.

    • lithocarpus 4 hours ago
      Yeah.. there should be a prompt that gauges how savvy the user is, and if the user doesn't understand the implications of this, the default should be low precision location data with a random offset per item + random offset per user.
      • jayknight 4 hours ago
        It has options to hide or obscure the location, which I use whenever I'm anywhere near my house, but it should be a little better about prompting users to use that.
        • rwoll 3 hours ago
          Strava (a running tracking app) provides two helpful controls you can set as your default:

          1. “Hide the start and end points of activities that start at SPECIFIC addresses.” 2. “Hide start and end no matter where they happen.”

          Then it can be useful to add your home/work/routine locations.

          If iNaturalist doesn’t have a setting like that, it’s a nice approach — especially if it’s included as part of initial onboarding flow — so it helps people without needing to remember to make visibility choices each time.

    • RobotToaster 4 hours ago
      There's an option to obscure the exact location of plants, but it's not obvious.
    • deckar01 2 hours ago
      Wait until you see what happens when you type your address into google earth.

      https://youtu.be/xicsyakpIL4

  • jmusall 2 hours ago
    Haven't tried iNaturalist yet, but I love Merlin Bird ID [1] and Flora Incognita [2]. The latter seems to be exceptionally accurate (over 80% up to 98% depending on the dataset) [3]. They also expose an API for "registered external clients" [4], but so far I sadly wasn't able to find any further documentation on it.

    A problem I often have with Merlin is that the birds seem to know when I record them, and promptly stop singing...

    [1] https://merlin.allaboutbirds.org/

    [2] https://floraincongita.com/

    [3] https://doi.org/10.1002/pan3.10676

    [4] https://doi.org/10.1111/2041-210X.13611

  • JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago
    Similar category: Merlin Bird ID [1]. Uses audio to identify the birds around you.

    [1] https://merlin.allaboutbirds.org/

    • bobbiechen 5 hours ago
      I'm a big fan of Merlin and learning more about its development changed my perspective on software development! I wrote about that here: https://digitalseams.com/blog/what-birdsong-and-backends-can...
      • nunez 6 minutes ago
        > The process of generating this data is labor intensive, because it requires sound ID experts to listen to each audio file carefully.

        Oh man. This is THE ONLY REASON why AI at scale works...and it's entirely powered by extremely repetitive classification done by people in third-world countries (for now; there are similar jobs in US and Canada for harder domains like math and law). It's definitely the biggest reason why autonomous driving works.

        (Cornell, who maintains Merlin, probably has students do it, though I know there is data crowdsourcing in the app too.)

        As far as I understand it, classification data is basically the Brent crude of the AI industry (well that and the datasets used for training LLMs).

        There was a great investigative article done by The Verge that built a piece around interviews of people at a data labelling center in Kenya and other African countries: https://www.theverge.com/features/23764584/ai-artificial-int....

        It paid well for the area until the company that spun up these services decided to move operations to SEA to save on cost. I'll try and link to it if I can find it.

        Here are similar articles on this topic:

        - https://www.vice.com/en/article/china-ai-dominance-relies-on...

        - https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-66514287

        - https://old.reddit.com/r/ArtificialInteligence/comments/1r7q...

        It's actually insane how sparingly this is discussed when talking about advancements in AI.

      • bikelang 2 hours ago
        Thanks for sharing this. I love Merlin but never knew how they got it to be so good. Blood, sweat, and tears - of course - as everything actually valuable and useful requires.
    • nunez 16 minutes ago
      Indispensable app. Works extremely well.
    • kiproping 4 hours ago
      There's Merlin and then there's Birdnet too https://birdnet.cornell.edu/. Both by Cornell.
      • dunham 4 hours ago
        I've been using birdnet, but it seems to want an internet connection to do the identification and sometimes that is dicey when there is a bird that I want to identify. (Also birds seem to shut up around the time you get the app open.)

        I'm going to give Merlin a try - the app has UI to download the network for offline use.

        • rurp 3 hours ago
          Requiring an internet connection for a nature app is absurd. As annoying as it is I get why a big tech company like Google fails at this sort of thing, many of their employees probably never leave a city and so the products always work well for them. But a nature app has no excuse, normal usage will get blocked by that all the time.
          • meta-meta 2 hours ago
            That's what Merlin is for but it's a ~450mb install. BirdNet is only a ~30MB install and birds are everywhere, so what's wrong with having an online option for most people who spend most of their time within range of a cel tower?
        • tejtm 2 hours ago
          birdnet pi or go run the model locally with an option to push observations back to Cornell

          https://www.birdweather.com/birdnetpi

          https://github.com/tphakala/birdnet-go

    • upcoming-sesame 3 hours ago
      Merlin is great for identifying birds, but I could never understand how to just post the information to the community for them to verify the observation. Compared to Seek / iNaturalist I find the uploading process complicated and I still have no idea how to do it.
    • derwiki 5 hours ago
      Aaand if you like birds, Listers documentary is a lot of fun https://youtu.be/zl-wAqplQAo
      • JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago
        The funny thing is I got into birds because of the app. I hike alone often. Identifying the bird and then challenging myself to identify it correctly from memory going forward (before double checking with the app) is a fun game that draws one into the environment. Then, once you remember the bird (or, in my case, whatever nickname I came up with) you start learning and remembering facts about the bird.
      • ajkjk 5 hours ago
        Even if you don't like birds... It's one of my favorite things I've ever watched.
      • bix6 3 hours ago
        Best movie of the year hands down
  • NkWsy 33 minutes ago
    The Inat API is so great. We use it on our chicago river cameratrap ID site to get species info and eventually upload results to it. Once we filter out the millions of Chicago Geese. https://rangers.urbanrivers.org/cameratrap.

    Plus having a project is cool to see other observations in a given ecological area https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/wild-mile-chicago

  • two-sandwich 5 hours ago
    This was a lifesaver around 2020 for me, documenting local critters and chatting about them. I've had immense satifaction in sharing my excitement for wildlife with others.

    Great app, easy interface, friendly community. Thank you iNaturalist team!

    • justonceokay 3 hours ago
      This app sparked a kind of existential change for me, also during the pandemic. I realized taking these long walks around Seattle that I didn’t know almost any of the plants. The “ah ha” moment was that I realized at any point almost 50% of my visual field was dominated by things I didn’t even know the names of. As a curious engineer this is not acceptable.

      So I would take walks and try to identify any plant I didn’t know. The first day I didn’t even make it around the block. Over the course of moths I got better and could go a few miles before spotting a (native) plant I had no idea about. Now I know when most flowers bloom, what’s wdible, what’s poisonous, what’s related, and it’s fun to share with other plant people too.

      Seattle is such a beautiful place to learn about plant life, since it is so temperate the city is like a world tree museum. Almost any kind of tree that doesn’t prefer desert will grow here and people over the centuries have planted many unique and exotic varieties.

  • Beestie 5 hours ago
    This site was helpful in documenting the spread of lantern flies (invasive critters that damage trees on the U.S. East Coast) - the more folks that report sightings (of anything not just problem critters) the better for all concerned.

    Conversely, its also beneficial to report sightings of helpful bugs/birds/bats/etc. so can get an early warning when a population starts to thin out.

  • tagami 2 hours ago
    I have a friend that works there. They recently posted a few open positions:

    User Insights and Analytics Manager https://app.beapplied.com/apply/kwwnthztts

    Technical Delivery Manager https://app.beapplied.com/apply/ppeyvinuw4

  • coalteddy 4 hours ago
    Does anyone know how they make their map so performant? Showing all those pins is mind blowing to me coming from leaflet maps. Marinetraffic is also a map that blows me away every time i see all the icons and how smooth and fast the loading is when zooming in. Would love to make a similar map at some point for my hobby but leaflet just does not cut it when you want to render 10million plus pins on a global map.

    Tech blogs or pointers would be great

  • skyberrys 5 hours ago
    I send things too iNaturalist all the time, it's great, it really helped me learn about my local fauna. I want to do a project with their API to identify a couple hundred wildflower photos I've been hoarding. Would that work? ( Idea is my wildflower app could send to their models to confirm my original identification)
    • frontierkodiak 1 hour ago
      Hey, good news! Pollination ecologist + ML guy here; with open models coming soon.

      You can keep an eye on (gh) polli-labs/linnaeus (a bit stale; I'll rebase on my private repo later tonight-). There's some cool ideas in here to exploit the structure of taxonomic hierarchies to help the model approach recognition how a professional taxonomist might.. so working from coarse to fine, taxonomy-guided label smoothing (distributing alpha mass by taxonomic distance)..and (forthcoming) RL on expert consensus to teach abstention (if an expert could only identify a specimen to genus for some set of inputs; then our model should abstain from a species classification for the same inputs). Unfortunately I am very, very compute-constrained- but shooting for late April/first week of May for insect + flowering plant models. (Other taxa will come later; probably as unified model). I'm working on camera-based (automated) ecological monitoring systems for ~6yrs at this point; it's a really fun problem space! dropped out of grad school to go all-in on automating my favorite job I ever had (pollination ecology field research..watching flowers for visitations!); since I knew I'd always be a mediocre ecologist- but an engineer that happens to care about ecology could be very very valuable to my field.

      a taxa recognition model turns out to be only a small piece of the system you need to extract structured observational data from cameras in the field :-) Working with one of my partners right now to launch a really cool demo of what's possible these days- Texas folks especially; keep an eye out on wildflower.org around May 1!

      I'll spill more ink soon but (anyone) please get in touch if you find these things interesting. Or if you'd like to help me out with compute/expenses!

    • Matumio 4 hours ago
      I don't know if it will work, but Pl@ntNet Identify (which I use often) seems to have an API: https://docs.plantnet.org/en/reference/api-plantnet/
    • jw_cook 5 hours ago
      I've wanted to do something similar, but unfortunately their CV model isn't public and can't be used through their API.
      • skyberrys 4 hours ago
        That's too bad, maybe I can upload it to iNaturalist then reference the entry there. I don't mind if it's duplicated, I just want to be able to improve the location data without sharing the improved location data so publicly.
      • Taipan_Enigma 4 hours ago
        Are their models considered to be the best or is there some competition? For plant identification, they blow every other free app I have tried out of the water. It also seems to return the genus of a plant rather than misidentify the species which I find impressive.
      • contingencies 5 hours ago
        Yet they shelter under a 'Science' tax-break. It's duplicitous. They should publish their models and build process. If it's not available for replication, it's not science.
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  • WaitWaitWha 47 minutes ago
    is there a way to migrate findings from Seek to iNaturalist? I do not want to start from scratch.

    Also I am unclear as far as the app. Is it F/LOSS? If so, why is it not on other repos like F-Droid?

  • bluebarbet 4 hours ago
    Also: WhoBird. A decent bird ID app that has the merit of being FOSS and available on F-Droid.
    • lanfeust6 4 hours ago
      is there any FOSS app for plants?
  • Evidlo 1 hour ago
    > it has open CORS headers which means it's amazing for demos and tutorials.

    The fact that this even exists is so sad. CORS is such an ill-conceived idea

  • Modified3019 3 hours ago
    I wish there was some kind of desktop application that I could sit down and locally organize my data into, allowing me to keep a full quality source while syncing a copy to naturalist for others to benefit from.

    As it stands, I don’t really have a system in place, and I don’t want to put a lot of effort into a lossy (assets get compressed and stripped of metadata) online project.

    • jw_cook 3 hours ago
      iNaturalist would agree with you; they explicitly say[1] it's not meant to be the primary source for your photos. Users generally fall into a couple broad camps:

      1. Mostly use the mobile app, and take photos and upload observations directly from there. Local photo collection either isn't a priority or is backed up by their phone's cloud sync.

      2. Mostly use inaturalist.org via a desktop browser, with either a standalone digital camera or mobile photos synced to desktop. Local filesystem (hopefully plus backups) is the source of truth.

      I have been working on a desktop application[2] with a long-term goal of full bidirectional sync, and a secondary goal of offline usage. The current feature set is fairly modest and read-only, though, focusing on organizing local photos using data from iNat.

      [1] https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/about

      [2] https://github.com/pyinat/naturtag

  • daemonologist 5 hours ago
    iNaturalist is cool, but it'd be a lot cooler if they released their models.
    • frontierkodiak 1 hour ago
      See my other comment in this thread! I've got you covered; launching open models in ~1month. Happy to answer any questions!
  • gardnr 4 hours ago
    A genuinely good-for-the-world project. The data is really useful for science and for machine learning. You can export all the research-grade identifications of fungi to train a classifier; if that’s what you’re into.
  • ivanstepanovftw 45 minutes ago
    iNaturalist - dataset collection project
  • preuceian 4 hours ago
    I’ve been using Observation.org (or rather its localized version Waarneming.nl) to record my hedgehog sightings. Should I use both platforms, or do these data points end up aggregated downstream anyway?
  • butlike 4 hours ago
    Ok the little infographic that shows "how it works" looks like the cloudflare warning when cloudflare can't connect to the host.
  • anotheryou 1 hour ago
    how does it compare to obsidentify? (same doxxing problem there)

    does it allow to save observations without publishing? want a pokedeck

  • the_real_cher 4 hours ago
    This is like pro spider league.
  • djeastm 3 hours ago
    Not to be confused with iNaturist...
    • bsimpson 1 hour ago
      I expected fewer butterflies and more asses.
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