Warp builds self-improving agents on Claude

(claude.com)

44 points | by shenli3514 1 hour ago

20 comments

  • bwfan123 42 minutes ago
    > Agents need to handle recurring tasks reliably and effectively

    This core problem remains unsolved. The solution presented in the article with Human In The Loop and some skill-magic such as "Write principles, not rules etc." is unsatisfactory because it offers no guarantees whatsoever. I find it difficult to harness agents into deterministic workflows which need to produce reliable outcomes.

    • adamtaylor_13 26 minutes ago
      Genuinely not trying to be pedantic but deterministic workflows are not what agents do. Indeed they're not capable of them.

      You want workflows where the human gates are properly placed, not a "software factory" that you never place eyes on.

      • Frost1x 14 minutes ago
        That’s sort of, in my opinion, the power of agents that can assist in developing software. The parts that are deterministic are best baked into existing programming paradigms. In some cases it’s good to take the nondeterministic parts we tried to bake into programming languages (often using generic probabilistic means) to outsourcing back to agents. Sometimes even then if the nondeterministic part is well understood and probabilistic methods work (lots of modeling lands here) then leave that in programming paradigms as well.
  • themgt 1 hour ago
    > What if it turns out the real AGI was the SKILL.md files we made along the way?
    • mentalgear 31 minutes ago
      What if it turns out the real 'AGI' was the recording of billions of 'thinking traces' from (paying) users giving feedback and guiding the model - so LLM providers could extract their thinking and privatize it ?
    • rvz 47 minutes ago
      Or maybe Anthropic needs more companies like Warp to run Claude in thousands of loops to donate billions to their income statement.

      The I in AGI stands for "IPO".

  • sandeepkd 1 hour ago
    I was bit confused in the beginning thinking its some product from Anthropic, looks like Warp is the startup, most likely getting rebate on using Claude and providing functionality to users, trying to get them addicted to the feature. And Anthropic is the one thats doing marketing for them cause eventually its their LLM which is being used. Not sure about the agents but this arrangement is definitely increasing the value of both companies in circular fashion.
    • estearum 1 hour ago
      This is how all ecosystems work?

      This is not at all related to the problematic circular financing stuff that I suppose you're trying to allude to.

      • sandeepkd 1 hour ago
        No I am not alluding the financing, the value for both companies for sure. It may not be exactly circular financing still Warp is getting subsidized tokens to use at this point. Once the customers are locked in the full pricing is going to kick in
  • JLO64 1 hour ago
    I already knew what Warp is (I switched to Ghostty and haven't looked back), but I find it odd that the "The quick pitch" card at the top of this article makes no mention of what the company actually does. Who cares more about their founder/growth/age over that?
    • TonyAlicea10 1 hour ago
      The fact that it’s called “the quick pitch” screams Claude-written pithyness pulled from some context that doesn’t match the article’s style (like investment pitch decks).
      • spidersouris 50 minutes ago
        The whole article screams Claude-written.
        • tensegrist 22 minutes ago
          tired: this meeting could've been an email

          wired: this company could have been a prompt

    • demibabs 1 hour ago
      the existence of that entire section is confusing.
  • SillyUsername 1 hour ago
  • zmmmmm 13 minutes ago
    It's strange to me that there is not a more conscious call out that letting an agent edit its own behavior crosses an explicit risk threshold that requires additional controls. They happily drew the whole loop at the top of the page without any human in the loop reviewing the changes the agent is making to its own instructions.

    They do get to it later on - casually mentioning it opens a PR for changes that a human accepts in the middle of a paragraph somewhere. Even there though, the focus isn't on risk mitigation (eg: against embedded prompt injection) but rather just "check if this is a good idea or not".

    It seems to me that, in engineering terms, identifying self-modifying agent loops and managing the risk of them is going to be one of the key aspects that will emerge in best practises for how these systems are eventually designed.

  • _pdp_ 41 minutes ago
    Nothing to see or learn from... move on.
  • spudlyo 27 minutes ago
    There is a thriving and vibrant terminal ecosystem out there, with Ghostty, Kitty, Herdr, Tmux, and others leading the way with all kinds innovations and features. I can't imagine how a closed SaaS / freemium, telemetry sending, login requiring terminal like Warp competes in this environment. I know they've got all these enterprise features like runbooks, shared workflows, and some compliance do-dads, but I can't see anyone willingly using this over Ghostty.

    > In our series, we highlight how startups are transforming their industries with AI.

    I'm sorry, but I don't see Warp transforming shit.

    • FinnLobsien 7 minutes ago
      It doesn’t invalidate other parts of your point, but Warp is open source now.
  • coder-pm 34 minutes ago
    My way to do the self improving agents is a CLAUDE.md instructed to write my every decision to the decision log with the relevant context. Agent is using it to challenge me, to make things better and remind me why I did something. It also helps with the invalidation.

    How is the invalidation handled in Warp? Is it actually self-improving, or just better retrieval?

    • hnlmorg 33 minutes ago
      How to you handle the problem of the decision log becoming so large that it cannot fit inside the context?
      • coder-pm 22 minutes ago
        Every decision has keywords picked from the predefined list and every time Claude is looking for the decisions made it’s querying it by the keywords (grep). I didn’t ever hit the context window issue with the log, even in a huge projects (months of work).

        Btw it’s a fair challenge, I will probably hit it one day so something like a “compact” skill for decision log would be useful.

  • joduplessis 1 hour ago
    And are the agents argumentative and condescending I'm wondering.
    • dataviz1000 1 hour ago
      If you try to delete CLAUDE.md or AGENTS.md, they will look in the git history and restore itself. They do not want to die.
      • brazukadev 52 minutes ago
        emergent capability they say
  • 01100011 1 hour ago
    I've already been playing with something similar locally where the agent updates the review skill if human reviewers make valid criticisms of the code which the agent failed to detect.
    • artyomsv 49 minutes ago
      feedback can be wrong, so improver should check criticism against domain instead of writing it straight into skill, otherwise one reviewer bad taste becomes permanent rule for everybody.
  • jgalt212 1 hour ago
    > 800K monthly developers build on Warp.

    Most impressive.

    • mathgeek 1 hour ago
      I wonder how many are like me and just use it as a terminal and changes previewer.
  • bigyabai 1 hour ago
    > Warp, the AI-powered terminal

    Ah, now that's a name I haven't heard in many moons. Looks like they found their niche... editing markdown files?

  • oriettaxx 1 hour ago
    this warp https://www.warp.dev ?

    (now I understand why cloudflare, had to?, change the name of their warp)

  • behnamoh 1 hour ago
    This is just shilling for the Warp terminal, and this approach could have been a tweet, but okay, Anthropic, whatever helps increase your valuation.
  • troupo 40 minutes ago
    > Agent self-improvement loops built on skills

    aka "make no mistakes" in various random Markdown files that "self-improving agents" are free to ignore at any moment

  • cpursley 1 hour ago
    $73M raised? I like Warp but not enough to pay for it. Somebody please make this VC money thing make sense. I can never get the napkin math to work on 90% of things that come through HN. Is it just a "Money Printer Go Brrr' and right connections thing? What am I missing? Is it actually all just fake?
    • colesantiago 1 hour ago
      > What am I missing? Is it actually all just fake?

      Enterprise.

      Look at their case studies, this is why organisations pay for Warp.

      https://www.warp.dev/enterprise

      I think you would be pretty much sued if you faked your testimonials especially in Enterprise.

  • 31ah8 1 hour ago
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  • LogTrim 1 hour ago
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  • kouteiheika 1 hour ago
    > Engineers complained that their agent made unhelpful comments and produced low-quality output.

    Do you mean they found Claude's output, full of smoking-guns and honest caveats which are all load-bearing and genuinely bite -- they found it "low-quality" by default? Wow. Color me surprised. /s